Home Wine News Articles Shop for Wine Accessories About Links Downloads Contact

Good Grape Wine Company

Left side of the header
Right side of the header

Around the Wine Blogosphere

*UPDATED*

The recent news in Indiana that now allows out of state wineries to ship to consumers is welcome news—both in the ongoing state-by-state wine shipping wrestling match that is occurring, and also for Hoosier consumers, of which I am a card-carrying member.

I am, however, hopeful that wineries will seize the opportunity to ship and not alarm themselves with too many concerns about “Big Brother” legal action.

The Six88 blog, a noted and respected compliance solution serving the wine industry, had this to say in regards to Indiana law and (likely steeped in first hard awareness of how these things have an impact):

This is a very important decision, and many are rightfully celebrating the victory for wineries and consumers. However, a major roadblock to shipping wine into Indiana remains in place. HB 1016 stipulates that “A consumer may not receive more than two hundred sixteen (216) liters of wine in total from one (1) or more direct wine sellers in a calendar year.”

As we’ve discussed before, most wineries will continue to choose not to ship to Indiana consumers because they can’t possibly know if the consumer has already received their 24 case allotment. FedEx and UPS will continue to ship to Indiana, and some wineries will likely assume the risk and ship to Indiana consumers anyway. But the majority of wineries will opt out until the Indiana ABC clarifies their enforcement policies on this matter. Hopefully the Indiana legislature will address this issue directly in the next session.

Here’s the thing:  I hope that most wineries will CHOOSE to ship to Indiana.  In an industry that is so built on “trusting your neighbor,” wineries not shipping seems like a possible outcome based on word of mouth.  But, more importantly, we don’t know to what level the case restrictions are unenforceable.  Trust me when I say that our state gov’t can’t even properly calculate property taxes, the bedrock tax base. Does anybody really think Big Brother has a way of tracking wine shipments from thousands of different wineries to individual purchasers?  And, even if they did have a way to organize and keep track of micro-excise tax payments to individuals do we really think that the state government would be punitive in going after the wineries if a random winery sends the 25 case to a consumer who is likely not in tune with the law himself?  Perhaps if it were an underage sting operation and a phony 18 year old bought 25 cases in a single shot from a producer, but other than that short answer is “no.” In fact, the long answer is “no,” too.

I’m not advocating that anybody break any laws, but what I am saying is that if there are no tools from the state to manage this on the winery side so somebody doesn’t illegally do something they have no intention of doing and if the consumer isn’t going to be held accountable to understand a small piece of a law, then it’s not much of a law to be heeded, or, most importantly, one that can be enforced.

So, I say to all wine producers desiring to ship to Indiana, come one, and come all.  I’d like to buy your wines, particularly if you’re a small “boutique” producer not present by three-tier distribution, which is about 95% of the available wine in the U.S.

UPDATE From Free the Grapes:

For example, Indiana law still includes a provision that limits shipments to 24 cases per individual, rather than a limit on shipments per winery per consumer. The difference, and the problem, is that Winery A is not aware of how many cases Winery B has shipped to a consumer. If Winery A ships one case to that consumer, and it’s the 25th case the consumer has received that year, then Winery A has unknowingly broken Indiana law and could have its federal license revoked. That is a very serious consequence, to say the least.

We’ll keep you informed of developments. Industry representatives are in touch with Indiana state alcohol regulators who, hopefully, will clarify regulations in favor of consumer choice.

Sincerely,
Jeremy Benson

I also communicated with Jeff from Six88 about this post yesterday.  Nobody seems to be able to address how a winery would, unknowingly, be caught by accidentally overshipping to a consumer, but the allusion is that regulators may be savvier on shipment tracking than I may want to give them credit for.  The net of it is, this is beer drinking country, I hope for two things:  1) a speedy legislative resolution to this sticky wicket and 2) Wineries will take their chances.  I have to put myself in the top 1% of wine consumers in the state and I can’t fathom buying 24 cases direct, so hopefully other wineries realize how slight the actual risk may be.  Or, perhaps, I should start an Indiana Defense Slush Fund for said wineries in the event they get caught in some example-making crosshairs.

Over at Lenndevours, Lenn hits on a topic that I’ve given some thought to, as well.  He notes that boutique is an incredibly nebulous word with little inherent meaning and he asks questions around the word “boutique” in usage.  Is “boutique” a winery that only produces a certain amount of cases a year?

When I was at Mondavi a couple of weeks ago the tour leader was asked how much wine Mondavi makes, and the answer was “Oh, we’re pretty small, about 300K or so.  We’re not one of the big guys like Kendall-Jackson.” Well, if you’re a consumer and not in tune with case production sizes from American wineries, that’s a perfectly reasonable answer to you, until the day somebody taps you on the shoulder and asks you try a wine from a “boutique producer that makes 500 cases of wine.”

I wonder if we haven’t reached the point in time where a simple label metric isn’t useful for consumer decision-making. 

Does it make sense to classify wine, not legally, or by appellation, or in the vinification sense, but from a marketing perspective into pre-defined buckets?  This could be on the back label of a bottle of wine, in a small, tasteful manner and would certainly provide more value to consumer making a relatively uninformed decision on a bottle of wine at a $12.99 or above price point.  Something like:

Micro Winery:  1 – 1000 cases
Boutique: 1001 – 10,000 cases
Artisan Producer: 10,001 – 15,000 cases
Mid-Tier Producer: 15,001 – 50,000 cases
Large Producer: 50,001 - Above


This wouldn’t be executed by the TTB, but more likely by a winery-centric Association.

Unless it’s a sales point and a winery wants to emphasize their small nature, consumers usually have no idea what production is for a particular wine.  Some people will continue to not care, but for me, if I’m choosing in between two Zinfandels each $15.99 and one only has 1000 case production and the other has 10,000 case production, I’m going to choose the smaller brand.

I think a lot of others would as well.

What do you think?  Would it impact your purchasing behavior if you knew production size?  Please leave a comment.

digg this | toast this! | add to del.icio.us | add to newsvine | add to furl | add to reddit |

Posted in, Around the Wine Blogosphere. Permalink | Comments (9) | Print | Email This


Comments

On 09/06, Jason Coleman wrote:

I’d probably be 50/50 between supporting the small guy and buying from the large producers (so I’m more likely to be able to find another bottle if I like it).

On 09/06, Tina wrote:

Jason at Six88 probably based his assertion that wineries will opt not to send to Indiana on his dealings with Wine Institute. WI’s Steve Gross advises the organization’s winery members--and there are several hundred of them--not to risk fines and license suspensions by shipping wines to states where the laws are not clear. Wineries are required by law to submit regular reports to the local ABC, so it has the ability to track the quantities that various households are receiving.

On 09/06, Jeff wrote:

Thanks for the comment, Tina, and thanks for the additional context.  Good point about the positive influence that WI has on these matters.

Just the same, I am highly suspicious and have reasonable doubt that our ATB tracks and cross-references shipments to individual homes in order to penalize a winery from the household up.  It’s just a reality that I don’t think that occurs.  Nor do I think it would occur in the future. 

When I read the post I had a moment where I could envision a winery Sales & Marketing Manager making the split decision to continue to not ship to Indiana based on the influence of Six88 saying, “most wineries will continue to choose not to ship to Indiana.”

Me going, “Nooooooooooooooo.  Wait.”

To quote Ty Webb from the movie Caddyshack, “This isn’t Russia.  Is this Russia?”

On 09/06, Arthur wrote:

Interesting breakdown of categorizing producres by # cases / year.

How did you arrive at that breakdown?

On 09/07, Jeff wrote:

Arthur,

No special magic or research, I just jotted down what made the most sense to me.  In hindsight, I’d probably add another category for “National Brands”—those doing significantly larger case load and predominantly found in most major markets.

What do you think?  Is it way off base?

Jeff
http://www.goodgrape.com

On 09/07, Arthur wrote:

Jeff,

I think you are in the general ball park, although I have not sat down with pen and paper to think and work it out.

Also the “national brand” is a good addition - I take it you mean the Charles Shaw level of production?

I am very curious to see what others think of this breakdown.

On 09/07, Paul Mabray wrote:

As an industry we really need to fight for the true judgment of the commerce clause.  Instead we are taking concessions as an industry to get incremental DTC distribution but at what cost?  Unfair volume restrictions that create administrative nightmares, impossible restrictions (like Indiana), extraneous cumbersome paperwork, different rules by channel (oof-site vs. on-site, ecommerce vs club, etc).  I am very thankful for all the hard work of the lobbying groups and organizations but we need to be more aggressive.  These convoluted restrictions actually deter consumer purchasing due to confusion and difficulty.  If we don’t remedy, it will continue to fatigue the possibility of growing the direct channel.  Just my two cents.

Inertia - Powering the Wine Revolution

---Paul Mabray - CEO

On 09/10, Jeff Carroll wrote:

Jeff, thanks for the update on this post and thanks for the opportunity to chat about this issue with you last week. For those reading at home, our original post can be found at http://shipcompliantblog.com/blog/2007/09/04/parts-of-indiana-law-declared-unconstitutional-can-i-ship-there-now/.
I wanted to add a couple of points to this thread because I think it’s a very important discussion.
1) The case restrictions are definitely enforceable. You see it in many other states such as NH, VA, and TX. The states have tricks up their sleeves to fairly easily monitor wine shipping volumes. We just don’t know yet to what extent Indiana will enforce these laws. As Jeremy Benson from Free the Grapes! points out, the consequences for wineries can potentially be severe.
2) Because of the recent court decision, Indiana will likely go back to the legislative drawing board next session. One of the main reasons that industry groups such as the California Wine Institute, the Family Winemakers of California and Wine America are successful in their efforts to pass favorable legislation in states is because they can demonstrate that their member wineries are making compliant shipments around the country. This same type of volume limitation is in effect in Massachusetts, soon to be Ohio (on October 1st), and might be passed in Wisconsin. Encouraging wineries to take the risk in these states can hurt the industry as a whole because it gives fodder to those who oppose direct shipping and therefore can impair the efforts of the groups that are fighting on our behalf. Furthermore, if consumers in these states are already receiving some shipments from some wineries, they are less likely to be vocal and supportive in the next round of legislation.
The rule itself is perhaps the most clever tool the wholesale lobby has created to derail direct shipping.  In states such as IN, there is tremendous consumer pressure (you are obviously doing a great job of creating and advancing this pressure as well) on state legislators to open the state up and become in compliance with Granholm.  A regulation such as this allows the legislature to give a perception that they have acted in the best interest of the Indiana consumer and opened the state to direct shipping, while in effect, they continue to block direct shipments by putting the winery in a no-win situation!
I know that as an Indiana resident you want the wineries to ship to you, and you are disappointed in our advice. But, we feel it’s not in the best interest of wine shippers to ship to IN until the enforcement (and therefore the risks) is properly understood. I’m sure we’ll see some more favorable legislation in your state soon!

- Your friends at ShipCompliant

On 09/10, Paul Mabray wrote:

Thank you both Jeffs’s for covering this.  I think the real issue here is that very few of the states are following Granholm properly.  Most still create unfair volume rules that give different treatment to out of state wineries than in state wineries.  Moreover rules like the Indiana ruling are the worst on ALL accounts.  Not only are they unenforceable (even if all common carriers give all shipping data cleanly), they are protectionist and will further complicate the business of direct shipping.  Yes, there should be a permitting system and there should be rules to ensure delivery to legal recipients (for the carriers to enforce) but the rest of these laws need to be strongly fought to change or this channel will continue to struggle.  Viva la revolucion!

Inertia - Powering the Wine Revolution

---Paul Mabray - CEO

Leave a Comment

Name:

Email:

Location:

URL:

Remember my personal information

Notify me of follow-up comments?

Enter your email address for a monthly summary of posts, additional news and information available only to email subscribers. Your email is never rented, nor sold to anybody else!

Search Good Grape